Leo Posted May 14, 2019 Share #1 Posted May 14, 2019 As I have shown my tiger flag here is my other flag, also from a good friend. This flag has seen some serious action and sadly is heavily blood stained through out. It also looks like shrapnel damage has ripped through certain parts, Its colouring and ageing throughout show this in my opinion to be a prayer flag that was actually carried into battle and taken by a marine as a trophy. A stunning piece I have had framed with museum grade glass and acid free backing to preserve for future generations. Any help on the writing or names would be very fantastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SV1976 Posted May 21, 2019 Share #5 Posted May 21, 2019 Can you post a close up of the crane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted May 22, 2019 Share #6 Posted May 22, 2019 That reflected image makes a great selfie. You should consider using it for your avatar on here. Excellent example of a flag as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share #7 Posted May 22, 2019 That reflected image makes a great selfie. You should consider using it for your avatar on here. Excellent example of a flag as well. Thanks GWB Ill add it to my avatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Leo Posted May 22, 2019 Author Share #11 Posted May 22, 2019 Can you post a close up of the crane? Is this one ok in your opinion Thankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul g Posted May 23, 2019 Share #12 Posted May 23, 2019 Thats a nice original flag in battle worn condition. PG- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul g Posted May 23, 2019 Share #13 Posted May 23, 2019 Thats a nice original flag in battle worn condition. PG- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul g Posted May 23, 2019 Share #14 Posted May 23, 2019 The more I look at this flag, the more the crane bothers me. It looks much fresher than all the other writing. Hope you didnt buy it from the monkey! It may have been one of his add ons! PG- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted May 23, 2019 Share #15 Posted May 23, 2019 Hi Leo, To the left of the crane: 勝 = Victory Right side of the flag, vertical: looks like a slogan that ends with “久” but I’m not good enough to read it. Often the recipient’s name end with “Kun” (something like “young master”) 君 but if it’s there I don’t see it. Obviously most of the writing on the flag is the signatures of well-wishers. Two names on the left side (you can probably guess which ones): 山村 勇一 Yamamura Yuuichi 沖田 賢三 Okita Kenzou BTW, what’s the tape for? Cheers! Hi Paul, The crane looks good to me, not sure what you're seeing. Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share #16 Posted May 24, 2019 Hi Leo, To the left of the crane: 勝 = Victory Right side of the flag, vertical: looks like a slogan that ends with 久 but Im not good enough to read it. Often the recipients name end with Kun (something like young master) 君 but if its there I dont see it. Obviously most of the writing on the flag is the signatures of well-wishers. Two names on the left side (you can probably guess which ones): 山村 勇一 Yamamura Yuuichi 沖田 賢三 Okita Kenzou BTW, whats the tape for? Cheers! Hi Paul, The crane looks good to me, not sure what you're seeing. Rod Thanks Rod for the info IMHO none of this looks like samurai monkeys work, the crane looks to good for him and the lines are very well drawn. Since he has come to my attention I have studied his crap in detail and now see the tell tale signs. The whole of this flag has correct ageing and the blood on it is unmistakable imho. Nothing of his looks like this Thanks again for all the comments Ps good spot on the tape , I just moved house and was boxing up items for the attic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Queen Posted May 24, 2019 Share #17 Posted May 24, 2019 Rod, I think the shou 勝 is part of hisshou 必勝 "certain victory" The ku 久 is part of a female name Kiku 希久 (one of the well wishers) I am certainly no expert on Japanese flags (or on this person making the fakes) but I have seen a fair amount of original material over the years and, from the images provided, the piece does not look messed with/enhanced to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageproductions Posted May 24, 2019 Share #18 Posted May 24, 2019 Eric- The "Monkey" person they are referring to was also known as Cupman. He lived in Japan the same time you were there and was always at the flea markets. If he bought three things at the same show, and even if they were three different branches of service, they would become a grouping. I had a run in with him a couple of times at Togo-jinga market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share #19 Posted May 24, 2019 Rod, I think the shou 勝 is part of hisshou 必勝 "certain victory" The ku 久 is part of a female name Kiku 希久 (one of the well wishers) I am certainly no expert on Japanese flags (or on this person making the fakes) but I have seen a fair amount of original material over the years and, from the images provided, the piece does not look messed with/enhanced to me Thanks once again Eric for your great translation on the flag. All help here has been greatly appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share #20 Posted May 24, 2019 Eric- The "Monkey" person they are referring to was also known as Cupman. He lived in Japan the same time you were there and was always at the flea markets. If he bought three things at the same show, and even if they were three different branches of service, they would become a grouping. I had a run in with him a couple of times at Togo-jinga market. The guy seems like a real piece of work ! Thank goodness people caught on to him and have taken the time to expose him Thankyou all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted May 24, 2019 Share #21 Posted May 24, 2019 Rod, I think the shou 勝 is part of hisshou 必勝 "certain victory" The ku 久 is part of a female name Kiku 希久 (one of the well wishers) Thanks Eric, I certainly missed "Certain" (duh). I see "Kiku" now with your help but probably shouldn't have bothered with it in the first place. I can usually sort out most Japanese handwriting but grass writing... nope! Thanks again, I appreciate the assist! Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted May 24, 2019 Share #22 Posted May 24, 2019 Thanks Rod for the info IMHO none of this looks like samurai monkeys work, the crane looks to good for him and the lines are very well drawn. Since he has come to my attention I have studied his crap in detail and now see the tell tale signs. The whole of this flag has correct ageing and the blood on it is unmistakable imho. Nothing of his looks like this Thanks again for all the comments Ps good spot on the tape , I just moved house and was boxing up items for the attic Leo, IMO your flag is a classic one looker. Clearly signed by a number of different hands, I'd be comfortable with its authenticity if it were mine. That's a great frame for it too! vintageproductions quote: Eric- The "Monkey" person they are referring to was also known as Cupman. He lived in Japan the same time you were there and was always at the flea markets. If he bought three things at the same show, and even if they were three different branches of service, they would become a grouping. I had a run in with him a couple of times at Togo-jinga market. Never hurts to be reminded there are Cupman's in this world... thanks for posting vintageproductions! Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted May 25, 2019 Author Share #23 Posted May 25, 2019 Leo, IMO your flag is a classic one looker. Clearly signed by a number of different hands, I'd be comfortable with its authenticity if it were mine. That's a great frame for it too! Never hurts to be reminded there are Cupman's in this world... thanks for posting vintageproductions! Cheers! Thanks Rod Ive been speaking with Michael Bortner who has been very kind in looking over the photos and is as of the same mind of the flag being correct. His exact phrases Based upon the photographs, your framed flag appears to be a nice, vintage good luck flag. I see numerous signatures, slogans and terrific inked drawing of what appears to be a crane; all make your flag quite historically interesting Thanks Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SV1976 Posted May 29, 2019 Share #24 Posted May 29, 2019 This flag was on ebay sometime around February. What people need to realize is the monkey is not just making all of them from scratch. He has taken nice one looker originals and added artwork to raise the return. I honestly cannot remember if he was the seller of the crane flag but he may have been. Leo, what was your friends response to all this? Why make up the grouping story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SV1976 Posted May 29, 2019 Share #25 Posted May 29, 2019 Eric- The "Monkey" person they are referring to was also known as Cupman. He lived in Japan the same time you were there and was always at the flea markets. If he bought three things at the same show, and even if they were three different branches of service, they would become a grouping. I had a run in with him a couple of times at Togo-jinga market. Hello Bob, are you positive this is cupman? Have you watched the monkeys videos on youtube? Both are criminals. Cupman's stuff is easy to spot. The monkey is pretty good and getting better all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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