Pickelhaube with no eagle or lion

[Bob Hudson]

This has been offered to me: I have only this photo, which shows enough that I should able to find on match online. Wrong.

There are tons of pickelhaub plates online, but almost all seem to have an eagle and/or a lion, except for one drawing of a similar plate.

 

 

The webpage which posted this drawing, had it under the category HUSSARS

https://pickelhauben.net/m15-steel-helmet-plates/

 

[SARGE]

Bob,

 

This is an Imperial Austrian Police helmet if I am not mistaken.  I think the plate is a Franz Joseph cypher.  

 

[Bob Hudson]

3 minutes ago, SARGE said:

Bob,

 

This is an Imperial Austrian Police helmet if I am not mistaken.  I think the plate is a Franz Joseph cypher.  

 

 

Austria M1884 helmet - thanks so much!

[Bob Hudson]

Were the police part of the military in those days? 

 

Here's some more photos of this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bob Hudson]

There's a thread for vintage Imperial fire and police helmets: https://www.worldmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/316320-vintage-fire-and-police-helmets/

 

[SARGE]

Thanks for the additional photos Bob.  

 

Yes, this is an Imperial Austrian police helmet for the Vienna Police (Sicherheitswache).  It is missing the leather liner and interior chin strap that goes through the metal D rings inside the crown.  These policemen were considered to be Officials (Beamte), not part of the military, in WWI Austria.  They were folded into the German Polizei structure during WWII.  They took a new oath, got German Police uniforms, and functioned as German Schutzpolizei and Gendarmerie until the end of WWII.  They then went back to being Austrian Policemen.

 

 

[Croix de Guerre]

Well, did you buy it?

[SARGE]

Yes I did.  This one was worn by an officer.  Officer helmets had the metal chin strap while enlisted Polizei had black leather chin straps.

 

I was/am happy to have gotten it from Bob.