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I collect German Police buckle variations.  There is a thread on Police Buckles that I put on the forum. 

 

My latest variation that I acquired at a local militaria show last month is an Imperial Bavarian Gendarmerie buckle.  It is a neat variation in that it is in the seldom seen small narrow leather belt size.  This buckle had been on my want list for years and I found it randomly in the corner of a showcase at the show.

 

 

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Well, we can start with Luftwaffe makers I guess..

 

M4/1 Ferdinand Hoffstätter, Bonn
M4/2 M. Winter, München
M4/3 Kallenbach, Meyer & Franke, Luckenwalde
M4/4 Gustav Emil Ficker, Beierfeld
M4/5 Leistner & Co., Lüdenscheid
M4/6 C. & W. Meindel-Scholer, Klingenthal
M4/7 Hermann Sprenger, Iserlohn
M4/8 Rudolf Wachtler & lange Mittweida
M4/9 Albert Winges, Trusen
M4/10 Bernhard Haarmann, Lüdenscheid
M4/11 August Enders AG, Ludenscheid
M4/12 Mathias Kutsch, Attendorn
M4/13 Paul Schuhmacher, Lüdenscheid
M4/14 Otto Fechler, Bernsbach
M4/15 Paul Meybauer, Berlin
M4/16 Robert Tummler, Dobeln
M4/17 Ernst Meissner, Hohenlimburg
M4/18 Julius Bauer & Söhne, Zella-Mehlis
M4/19 Ernst Schneider, Lüdenscheid
M4/20 Hillenbrand & Broer, Ludenscheid
M4/21 Hans Schonfelder, Mittweida
M4/22 Christian Theodor Dicke, Ludensheid
M4/23 Franke & Co., Lüdenscheid
M4/24 Friedrich Linden, Lüdenscheid
M4/25 Noelle & Huck, Lüdenscheid
M4/26 Offenberg-Engels, Iserlohn
M4/27 Overhoff & Cie, Lüdenscheid
M4/28 Paulmann & Crone, Lüdenscheid
M4/29 K. E Brahm, Fürth
M4/30 Berg & Nolte, Lüdenscheid
M4/31 Max Haufe, Grossrohrsdorf
M4/32 Gebrüder Hahne, Lüdenscheid
M4/33 J. D. von Hagen G.m.b.H., Iserlohn
M4/34 Nordwall & Welschehold, Dransfeld & Co, Menden
M4/35 Moeller & Schröder, Offenbach
M4/36 Knopffabrik von Hofe & Co., Lüdenscheid
M4/37 Stefan Merkl, Nürnberg
M4/38 Richard Sieper & Söhne, Lüdenscheid
M4/39 F W. Assmann & Söhne, Lüdenscheid
M4/40 Giesse & Schmidt, Ruhla
M4/41 Schmal & Schulz, Wuppertal-Barmen
M4/42 Hermann Aurich, Dresden
M4/43 R. A. Erbe, Schmalkalden
M4/44 Paul Cramer & Co., Lüdenscheid
M4/45 Cramer & Dombach, Lüdenscheid
M4/46 Wilhelm Schroder & Co., Lüdenscheid
M4/47 Ebberg & Co., Lüdenscheid
M4/48 P C Turck Wwe, Ludenscheid
M4/49 Steinhauer & Luck, Lüdenscheid
M4/50 Willi Thuy, Lüdenscheid
M4/51 Homer & Dittermann, Wuppertal-Bannen
M4/52 Linden & Funke G.m.b.H., Iserlohn
M4/53 Zieh-Press-und Stanzwerk G.m.b.H., Zwintschona
M4/54 Wilhelm Annetsberger, München
M4/55 Julius Kremp, Lüdenscheid
M4/56 Friedrich Keller, Oberstein
M4/57 Julius Maurer, Oberstein
M4/58 Wilhelm Deus, Solingen
M4/59 Adolf Baumeister, Lüdenscheid
M4/60 Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
M4/61 Julius Dinnebier, Lüdenscheid
M4/62 Arld Heinrich, Nürnberg
M4/63 Werner Redo, Saarlautern
M4/64 Otto Geiger, Lüdenscheid
M4/65 Georg Bonitz, Schwarzenberg
M4/66 Stimming & Venzlaff, Altenburg
M4/67 Emil Juttner, Lüdenscheid
M4/68 Norddeutsches Nickel-und Silberwaren G.m.b.H., Hamburg
M4/69 Meyer & Wilhelm, Stuttgart
M4/70 Kugel & Fink, Lüdenscheid
M4/71 Lehmann & Wundenberg, Hannover
M4/72 Wilhelm Deumer, Lüdenscheid
M4/73 Lohmann & Welschehold, Meinerzhagen
M4/74 Wilhelm Geiger G.m.b.H.; Lüdenscheid
M4/75 Walter Demmer, Lüdenscheid
M4/76 Petz & Koch, Unterreichenbach
M4/77 Gebrüder Gloerfeld, Lüdenscheid
M4/78 E K. Vogelsang & Co., Lüdenscheid
M4/79 Hillenbrand & Bröer, Lüdenscheid
M4/80 Lind & Meyrer, Oberstein
M4/81 Inhaber Frau Johanna Kaukal, Wien
M4/82 List & Hertl, Wien
M4/83 (unknown as yet)
M4/84 Grossmann & Co., Wien
M4/85 Friedrich Bibus & Sohn, Mahrisch-Trubau
]M4/86 Sohni, Heubach & Co., Oberstein
M4/87 Matthias Salcher & Söhne, Wagstadt
M4/88 August Hieke, Tyssa bei Bodenbach
M4/89 Reichelmann & Co, Tellnitz bei Aussig
M4/90 Adolf Grohmann & Sohn, Wurbenthal
M4/91 (unknown as yet)
M4/92 Heinrich Ulbrichts Witwe, Wien
M4/93 Lenkwerk Brüder Schneider, Wien
M4/94 Raimond Moser, Wien
M4/95 Franz Weinrank, Wien
M4/96 Eans Pacher, Wien
M4/97 Friedrich Orth, Wien
M4/98 Franz Petzl, Wien
M4/99 Franke & Sohn, Heidenreichenstein
M4/100 Rudolf Menschiga, Wien
M4/101 Dominik Schönbaumsfelds & Sohn, Wien
M4/102 Wilhelm Prym, Wien
M4/103 Rudolf Schanes, Wien
M4/104 Philipp Turka, Wien
M4/105 Argentorwerk Rust Hetzel, Wien
M4/106 Maria Schenkl, Wien
M4/107 Frank & Reif Stuttgart
M4/108 Adalbert Kanngieser, Wien
M4/109 Rudolf & Karl Kraus, Solingen
M4/110 Josef Felix & Söhne, Gablonz
M4/111 Rudolf Reich, Danzig, entry 1939 lost license 1941
M4/112 Robert Thiel, Danzig
M4/113 (unknown as yet)
M4/114 Otto Honsel, Werdohl
M4/115 Klein & Quenzer, Idar-Oberstein
M4/116 CamiIl Bergmann & Co., Gablonz
M4/117 W. Aurich, Leipe
M4/118 Werner Redo Saarlautern (reissued)
M4/119 Eugen Schmiedhäusler, Pforzheim
M4/120 Karl Hensler, Pforzheim
M4/121 (unknown as yet)
 

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  • 4 weeks later...

Gwar,

 

This seems like a rather comprehensive list of Luftwaffe buckle makers.  Have you by chance collated a list of Police buckle makers?  

 

Along the line of identifying the maker of a specific buckle there are a couple of things that I have wondered about.  Are the maker named leather tabs found on some box buckles always the maker of the buckle as well?  How about buckles that are sewn to the belt... that is to say did the belt maker also make the buckle?  The M4/# markings that you show indicate a maker of metal products but these only list those makers with a license.  The leather markings generally identify the maker in plain German and some buckles are stamped with the maker logo.  

 

Random thoughts on my part but what do you think?  

 

 

 

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Sarge, sorry for the late reply, the book we are working on takes a toll sometimes, to answer a few questions, most tabbed buckles (if not a re-stich or field fix, ie, mis-matched) should be the correct maker of the buckle, (S.S. Buckles were NEVER made with tabs). Buckles sewn to the belt (brocades) were probably manufactured with separate components (Fabric maker) and sold by the Hersteller under the buckle maker.. Depending on the regulations the RZM controlled the process in which most TR items were produced, including buckles, although, the RZM didn't control the RAD, so ANY RAD buckle with a 'RZM' marking should be considered a fake, here is the known list of Police buckle makers, which includes the usual suspects

M4/19 Ernst Schneider, Lüdenscheid
M4/22 Christian Theodor Dicke, Ludensheid
M4/24 Friedrich Linden, Lüdenscheid
M4/27 Overhoff & Cie, Lüdenscheid
M4/28 Paulmann & Crone, Lüdenscheid
M4/30 Berg & Nolte, Lüdenscheid
M4/34 Nordwall & Welschehold, Dransfeld & Co, Menden
M4/38 Richard Sieper & Söhne, Lüdenscheid
M4/39 F W. Assmann & Söhne, Lüdenscheid
M4/49 Steinhauer & Luck, Lüdenscheid
M4/57 Julius Maurer, Oberstein
M4/60 Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
M4/77 Gebrüder Gloerfeld, Lüdenscheid
M4/110 Josef Felix & Söhne, Gablonz
E F Weidmann, Ludenscheid
Gustav Hermann Osang, Dresden
Injection molded by R Seiper
Late war Police (Mazak metal)
Werner Linker, Duisberg
Landespolizei Gold, F W Assmann, Ludensheid
Landespolizei Silver, F W Assmann, Ludensheid
Water/Harbour Police by Assmann
Water/Harbour Police by Christian Theodore Dicke
J. Deutschbein, Euskirchen
Gebruder Albert, Menden
Hermann Knoller, Pforzheim

 

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