Real, reproduction, or fake helmet?

[MrBendy453]

Hey all,

 

Was looking at this before it sold. What do you guys think? Looks like the SS runes were painted over a Heer decal.
 

eBay link

[Marshallj]

Can you provide photos? Maybe take a screenshot and post it here?

[Preppy Picker]

Is the description a bad AI translation?

 

 

[MrBendy453]

15 minutes ago, Marshallj said:

Can you provide photos? Maybe take a screenshot and post it here?

 

8 minutes ago, Preppy Picker said:

Is the description a bad AI translation?

 

 

Haha, good question.

[S.ChrisKelly]

Helmet looks authentic & genuine.  What's left of the ᛋᛋ decal looks fake.  Bill Shea of "The Ruptured Duck" is an undisputed source for accurate information on German helmets.

[MrBendy453]

39 minutes ago, S.ChrisKelly said:

Helmet looks authentic & genuine.  What's left of the ᛋᛋ decal looks fake.  Bill Shea of "The Ruptured Duck" is an undisputed source for accurate information on German helmets.

That’s what I was thinking… it looks like the runes are painted over a Heer decal. I can see a tad bit of it peeking out.

2 minutes ago, MrBendy453 said:

That’s what I was thinking… it looks like the runes are painted over a Heer decal. I can see a tad bit of it peeking out.

I’ll look up Bill, thanks for the info

[Preppy Picker]

Are you the buyer?

[Marshallj]

Thanks for the pictures. Posting links is a frowned upon practice. I agree with S. ChrisKelly.

[MrBendy453]

48 minutes ago, Marshallj said:

Thanks for the pictures. Posting links is a frowned upon practice. I agree with S. ChrisKelly.

Sorry, did not realize that. I’m brand new to this forum—thanks for your input.

[Preppy Picker]

Are you the buyer?

 

Posting links is fine, the problem is that they don’t work after a while so it helps to show pictures otherwise in a couple of months the link no longer works and this thread would become useless.

[Mr.Jerry]

SS runes would not have been on that side of the helmet. They would have been on the tricolor shield side. This was a DD M-35 army helmet that one one buggered up.

[MrBendy453]

4 hours ago, Preppy Picker said:

Are you the buyer?

 

Posting links is fine, the problem is that they don’t work after a while so it helps to show pictures otherwise in a couple of months the link no longer works and this thread would become useless.

I did purchase it and still have time to cancel this order. I did not want to get clowned for having the process backwards—sorry for the confusion

[Rakkasan187]

3 hours ago, MrBendy453 said:

I did purchase it and still have time to cancel this order. I did not want to get clowned for having the process backwards—sorry for the confusion

Personally I would cancel the order and look for an untampered with helmet. If you are seeking an authentic SS helmet, be prepared to spend several thousand dollars, and I would do some very hard research before getting an SS helmet.  If you are looking for a common Third Reich Army or Luftwaffe helmet I would also look for one with a complete liner and chinstrap. There are plenty available but with everything in this hobby do research and ask questions before purchasing... Quality over quantity is more important in some cases when it comes to Third Reich items.

 

Leigh 

[Preppy Picker]

The runic decal was worn on the left side, known as the reverse decal foreign volunteer version. 

[MrBendy453]

1 hour ago, Rakkasan187 said:

Personally I would cancel the order and look for an untampered with helmet. If you are seeking an authentic SS helmet, be prepared to spend several thousand dollars, and I would do some very hard research before getting an SS helmet.  If you are looking for a common Third Reich Army or Luftwaffe helmet I would also look for one with a complete liner and chinstrap. There are plenty available but with everything in this hobby do research and ask questions before purchasing... Quality over quantity is more important in some cases when it comes to Third Reich items.

 

Leigh 

Where would I procure a Heer or Luftwaffe helmet?

[Preppy Picker]

They show up here from time to time

[Marshallj]

Join Wehrmacht Awards Forum. Always helmets for sale from trustworthy members.

[MrBendy453]

23 minutes ago, Marshallj said:

Join Wehrmacht Awards Forum. Always helmets for sale from trustworthy members.

The seller has guilt tripped me into keeping this helmet……..I seriously have no clue what to do. Found another one I would have purchased—Helmet link I feel like the worlds biggest idiot right now

[S.ChrisKelly]

Post #18...

 

Thanks for the link.  Nice looking helmets.  Way overpriced!  The police helmet you showed in the image in Post #18 looks like it's been very amateurishly repainted.  I think the decals were applied after it was repainted.  Helmet looks original, but it also looks like it's been altered from its original state.  Run it past Bill Shea.  He was always super extra helpful to me.

[MrBendy453]

1 hour ago, S.ChrisKelly said:

Post #18...

 

Thanks for the link.  Nice looking helmets.  Way overpriced!  The police helmet you showed in the image in Post #18 looks like it's been very amateurishly repainted.  I think the decals were applied after it was repainted.  Helmet looks original, but it also looks like it's been altered from its original state.  Run it past Bill Shea.  He was always super extra helpful to me.

Will do, thanks much

[S.ChrisKelly]

Just a thought...

 

Tonight, I saw Star Trek {The Original Series}, from 16 February 1968; 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterns_of_Force_(Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series)

 

It reminded me that movie studios, especially those in the late 20th century, before the advent of reproduction helmets, acquired authentic, genuine helmets from the Second World War and "repurposed" them for their own use.  Many of these helmets found their way into the collectors' arena when film studios' costume departments eventually disposed of their respective inventories.

 

 

[Mr.Jerry]

22 hours ago, Preppy Picker said:

The runic decal was worn on the left side, known as the reverse decal foreign volunteer version. 

True, but IMO on something less that 1% of the helmets, and I would be shocked to see it on a m35 - I think I have seen maybe 2 real ones in my life both on m40s.  My point was of more of a "wrong side" generality. That was a rubbed out army decal.

 

At least the helmet in the original post would still display well as a DD army (you can only see one decal at a time anyway). We all make mistakes. Better to ask questions before you leap. (and shame on the seller for guilt tripping you!)

[Preppy Picker]

2 hours ago, Mr.Jerry said:

True, but IMO on something less that 1% of the helmets, and I would be shocked to see it on a m35 - I think I have seen maybe 2 real ones in my life both on m40s.  My point was of more of a "wrong side" generality. That was a rubbed out army decal.

 

At least the helmet in the original post would still display well as a DD army (you can only see one decal at a time anyway). We all make mistakes. Better to ask questions before you leap. (and shame on the seller for guilt tripping you!)

I’ve never seen one nor have I seen the SS helmet with runes on both sides.