509thPIB Posted April 20, 2019 Share #1 Posted April 20, 2019 https://www.google.com/amp/s/johnwynnehopkins.wordpress.com/2015/04/08/early-rhodesian-bush-war-uniforms-1965-1969/amp/ Early Rhodesian Bush War Uniforms 1965 1969 johnwynnehopkins The new Rhodesian disruptive pattern was issued initially in two shades, which the greener shade finally taking over. Does anyone own a khaki and brown bush jacket like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted May 7, 2020 Share #2 Posted May 7, 2020 Who has this print ?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kia kaha Posted June 2, 2020 Share #3 Posted June 2, 2020 this is the first pattern of camouflage smock issued to the Rhodesian Police(British South Africa Police) and The Combat Tracker Unit. a lightweight cotton jacket with 2 pockets at waist. Slightly longer than the later issue jacket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kia kaha Posted June 2, 2020 Share #4 Posted June 2, 2020 early type of trousers, denim material, cut down into shorts overlayed on a later cotton shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kia kaha Posted June 2, 2020 Share #6 Posted June 2, 2020 this earlier pattern of trousers has just 1 map pocket on the right side, 1 rear pocket and no reinforcement to seat area. there are internal slash pockets on each side and a pocket for the field dressing at the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRA227 Posted June 2, 2020 Share #7 Posted June 2, 2020 Great pieces. Rich A. in Pa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted June 2, 2020 Share #8 Posted June 2, 2020 Nice thanks for posting I have never seen a lower pocket garment before !Owen Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kia kaha Posted June 3, 2020 Share #9 Posted June 3, 2020 You might see a photo of these around the net. There is a photo of John Lovat warring one in the author bio picture in Contact (1) It may have been made for Allen Savory’s Tracker Combat Unit, a group of territorial soldiers trained in tracking down terroirists after incidents or sightings. The TCU was a top rate unit operated silently 4 men per det 1 tracking, 2 flank guards and 1 controller. Everyone had to wear shorts and food and survival gear carried in 2 bandoliers, ( hence no top pockets). 7.62 FNFAL and a couple of ammo pouches on a belt a water was carried but it could only be full or dead empty. The photo at the start of this tread is of a tracking team controller as he’s got a radio. These teams could be out for weeks on a follow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kia kaha Posted July 2, 2020 Share #10 Posted July 2, 2020 Photo of the 2 pocket jacket in use 1968 - 70. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KommandoPost Posted October 20, 2020 Share #11 Posted October 20, 2020 I actually own an "arid season" jacket as described in the first post. It is amazingly hard to photograph since the yellow-green is not very different from the base khaki color of the fabric. https://kommandopost.com/index.php/2015/09/08/rhodesian-arid-brushstroke-pattern-1960s/ Based on the pattern shapes, jacket cut, and tag (196_, with the last digit blank; I have an early jacket with the same style of tag but with the last digit filled in by hand), I believe the arid version was produced right when the standard, common version of the pattern was made. I also have several early pattern combat jackets. The prints are fairly inconsistent in terms of color order, and in one case print quality, though I've noticed that the pattern shapes on this first pattern are distinct from the common pattern. https://kommandopost.com/index.php/2016/05/13/rhodesian-1st-pattern-camouflage-1965-1966/ This is the same print used in the 2-lower pocket version Kia kaha posted. On 6/2/2020 at 12:47 AM, Kia kaha said: this is the first pattern of camouflage smock issued to the Rhodesian Police(British South Africa Police) and The Combat Tracker Unit. a lightweight cotton jacket with 2 pockets at waist. Slightly longer than the later issue jacket. I saw this jacket in this photo of PATU "Black Group" in 1968 (from https://www.bsapgallery.org/piwigo/picture.php?/328/category/115) The photo has another interesting BSAP test pattern that later became the Zimbabwe vertical lizard pattern. It looks very Portuguese, but the pattern shape is very different. This is the only thread I've ever seen it discussed in detail:https://newrhodesian.ca/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=692 If anyone has any photos of the items in isolation, please post them so we can get a better shot of this very obscure Rhodesian pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted October 20, 2020 Share #12 Posted October 20, 2020 Dig out the jacket !Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kia kaha Posted October 21, 2020 Share #13 Posted October 21, 2020 Here are a couple of shots of the Rhodesian S.A.S. In Mozambique in the 60s, wearing Portuguese Cammo. Certainly a different pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted October 22, 2020 Share #14 Posted October 22, 2020 Great pictures!!I have never seen before.The lizard is indeed completely different.I see an arid boonie hat in there.Years ago I had the sun hat and didn’t know what if was !Owen Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kia kaha Posted October 22, 2020 Share #15 Posted October 22, 2020 Boonie hats were unofficial, the police had them but they were strictly a no no for the S.A.S., although as this photo shows there’s always an exception. Ive seen a photo of similar to the ‘Black group’ camo of a terr wearing something similar. One other point Black Group is a reserve unit in The British South Africa Police, that is a part time unit which operated in a specific area, mainly doing observation duty and follow ups after incidents. Private purchase cammo maybe ? I can make out French camo, khaki drill, B.S.A.P. Riot dress, and the above 2 pocket cammo over smock. and a puppy!!! cheers Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kia kaha Posted October 22, 2020 Share #16 Posted October 22, 2020 and then this pops up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kia kaha Posted October 22, 2020 Share #17 Posted October 22, 2020 And here’s one of WrexTarr Rhodesian Comedian, Entertainer,Sportsman and parttime policeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted October 22, 2020 Share #18 Posted October 22, 2020 More Portuguese Cammo first pattern smocks !Great pics !Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kia kaha Posted November 1, 2020 Share #19 Posted November 1, 2020 On 10/20/2020 at 8:12 PM, KommandoPost said: I actually own an "arid season" jacket as described in the first post. It is amazingly hard to photograph since the yellow-green is not very different from the base khaki color of the fabric. https://kommandopost.com/index.php/2015/09/08/rhodesian-arid-brushstroke-pattern-1960s/ Based on the pattern shapes, jacket cut, and tag (196_, with the last digit blank; I have an early jacket with the same style of tag but with the last digit filled in by hand), I believe the arid version was produced right when the standard, common version of the pattern was made. I also have several early pattern combat jackets. The prints are fairly inconsistent in terms of color order, and in one case print quality, though I've noticed that the pattern shapes on this first pattern are distinct from the common pattern. https://kommandopost.com/index.php/2016/05/13/rhodesian-1st-pattern-camouflage-1965-1966/ This is the same print used in the 2-lower pocket version Kia kaha posted. I saw this jacket in this photo of PATU "Black Group" in 1968 (from https://www.bsapgallery.org/piwigo/picture.php?/328/category/115) The photo has another interesting BSAP test pattern that later became the Zimbabwe vertical lizard pattern. It looks very Portuguese, but the pattern shape is very different. This is the only thread I've ever seen it discussed in detail:https://newrhodesian.ca/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=692 If anyone has any photos of the items in isolation, please post them so we can get a better shot of this very obscure Rhodesian pattern. Spoke to a member of Black Group on Friday. he was a bit later 1970s in Bulawayo and Vic Falls, by then the sticks only wore Rhodesian Police Issue Cammo, all private purchase foreign camo was binned. Their opposition was Z.I.P.R.A. So the Mozambique Cammo didn’t work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRA227 Posted November 2, 2020 Share #20 Posted November 2, 2020 Great post. Rich A. in Pa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted November 4, 2020 Share #21 Posted November 4, 2020 Here’s a late 1960s Army issue Portuguese lizard jacket as worn above.Owen Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted November 4, 2020 Share #22 Posted November 4, 2020 Many many years ago I did a photo shoot of Rhodesian camouflage items in my collection.I am on the extreme right wearing the hand screened t shirt which I consider the first pattern print unless corrected by a deeper knowledge here.Also in the background with the radio I put him wearing an Arid cap.It was a very different cap no doubt.I hope my work doesn’t suck Owen Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRA227 Posted November 5, 2020 Share #23 Posted November 5, 2020 Great jacket. You have a hood for it? Rich A. in Pa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kia kaha Posted November 7, 2020 Share #24 Posted November 7, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 7:13 PM, kammo-man said: Many many years ago I did a photo shoot of Rhodesian camouflage items in my collection. I am on the extreme right wearing the hand screened t shirt which I consider the first pattern print unless corrected by a deeper knowledge here. Also in the background with the radio I put him wearing an Arid cap. It was a very different cap no doubt. I hope my work doesn’t suck Owen Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Hi Owen Here’s my take, Screen printing a completely assembled khaki tee shirt where available right to the early 80s, these where made in Rhodesia, the variations come about by missing a screen in the process or sometimes turning a screen. Rhodesia had a shortage of bais edging so the neck line and sleeves would just be hemmed in tee shirt material. Calling it first pattern is reasonable, there are other patterns of camo made by different manufacturers at least one screen printed on to complete shirts, another manufacturer used printed cloth to make shirts, this cloth was imported and is not the Rhodesian pattern, more a woodland style. Which came first is hard to pin down as all where used at the same time in different areas. (Remember as collectors we label things, as soldiers they are just cam or shirts) keep up the good work, cheers Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted November 8, 2020 Share #25 Posted November 8, 2020 Thanks for adding that Tony !Your collection is marvelous.Do you have any photos of the actual shops that sold the t shirts ?If you ever find a camouflage air crew vest let me know I never found one Best Owen Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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