Translation Help Cloud and Banner 4th class AWARD CERTIFICATE

[GAZOO]

 

This Boxed Medal, Award Certificate, Paper work & Original
addressed envelop with postal date are all part of my
AVG "Chuck Older" Group
 

I believe the Paper Work is Signed by Chiang Kai-shek and I would
like to know exactly where on the Document it is located ?

I am also very interested in what the rest of the certificate
says ???


Thanks
in advance.

 

[Mr. Bushido]

In my opinion, the signatory is "Lin Sen【林　森】".

[GAZOO]

2 hours ago, Mr. Bushido said:

In my opinion, the signatory is "Lin Sen【林　森】".

  Thanks, that makes sense when compared with the 4th photo scan above,
The English Version of "Certificate of Decoration"  From
Lin Shen (?)
Chairman of the National Government of the Republic of China


Is that the only name on the Certificate ?

Is The English Version a written translation of the Chines Certificate ?

[Mr. Bushido]

That's exactly right.

"【歐爾徳】Olde" is a Chinese pronunciation of Older.

 

I think each sentence in English and Chinese is fully corresponding.

[GAZOO]

12 hours ago, Mr. Bushido said:

That's exactly right.

"【歐爾徳】Olde" is a Chinese pronunciation of Older.

 

I think each sentence in English and Chinese is fully corresponding.

  Thank you very Much for taking the time to look this document over and respond,
Its very very much appreciated

Thanks again

[Hsin C.]

On 2/2/2025 at 8:30 PM, GAZOO said:

  Thanks, that makes sense when compared with the 4th photo scan above,
The English Version of "Certificate of Decoration"  From
Lin Shen (?)
Chairman of the National Government of the Republic of China


Is that the only name on the Certificate ?

Is The English Version a written translation of the Chines Certificate ?

 

 

Lin Sen's signature is stamped on and not an original signature.

[GAZOO]

22 hours ago, Hsin C. said:

 

 

Lin Sen's signature is stamped on and not an original signature.

  I will have to take a closer look, thanks for pointing that out.
I do appreciate anything you can tell me about this certificate,
However I prefer to call it an original stamped signature


Thanks again

[GAZOO]

Been a Minute but just noticed something 

 From my LIMITED research on the Ribbons used for each Grade of the Order of the Cloud and Banner
I see ONLY 1 ribbon with WHITE Boarders, edge.
The 4th Grade that also mentions "WITH Special Cravat" ????? could this mean with both a ribbon and Cravat

 The award above has the Supporting Documentation showing number 466 and 4th Grade noted in paperwork
QUESTION did they come with CRAVAT and a Ribbon with Rosette ???? 
OR Only with a Cravat

PLEASE NOTE the ribbon attachment on the one above is not the same as others I have seen, Also Sadly the ribbon is missing the back half,
not sure why ??? Could it have been issued this way to allow for either the Cravat or the Ribbon ?
OR has this
been added from his 5th Grade he was requested to return (although the 5th is a cravat as well)

another long shot 🙃 theory is it may have originally had a Neck Ribbon that he did not like, note damage to blue enamel,  could have fallen off and got damaged,
leading him to replaced with this ribbon ???

Thanks for any response on this 

[GAZOO]

Here is C. Older and R.T. Smith sporting what I assume are there 
5th Grade Order of the Cloud and Banner NOTE the RIBBON COLORS and the
fact the record shows C Older was awarded number 285 5th Grade OCaB

NOTE These are both RIBBON form not CRAVAT

[GAZOO]

Had I read the post by Hsin C. 
Hsin C. Answer

 

I would have answered my above questions 😍