kfields Posted December 28, 2018 #1 Posted December 28, 2018 If this is Russian, is it WW1 era? What is unusual to me is that it was made in the United States. The button is 3/4 inches in diameter.. Did they really source uniform items in the U.S. or is this just a well made reproduction? Thanks! Kim
AB45 Posted December 28, 2018 #2 Posted December 28, 2018 Can you recognize a rider in the shield? Then he would be Russian. There was also a double-headed eagle with two crowns in the imperial Austrian coat of arms. Maybe that helps too. But that's only for the US Eagle buttons. Scovill ButtonsPrior to and during the Civil War, Scovill was the most prolific button manufacturers. The Scovill name is common on buttons from the 1830 to the 1970s. The original Scovill partnerships and companies were located in Waterbury, CT, so often the name Waterbury also appears on Scovill buttons. The brothers J. M. Lamson Scovill and William Henry Scovill operated the business from 1827 to 1840. These buttons are generally marked "JML Scovill..." or "Scovills". The Scovills & Co backmark is found from around 1840 to 1850. Marks with variations of Scovill Manufacturing begin about 1850 (Scovill MG.- early 1850s, Scovill MF'G - mid 1850s). Below are some of the many Scovill backmark variations.LEVENWORTH, HAYDEN & SCOVILL (also as LH&S) 1811-1827 J.M.L. & W.H. SCOVILL 1827-1840 J. M. L. & W. H. SCOVILL / [dot] WATERBURY [dot] / EXTRA SUPERFINE [dot] [star] [dot] [star] [dot] [star] [dot] 1830s. Example: Republic of Texas infantryJ M L & W H SCOVILL / [star] EXTRA RICH [star] 1830s. Example: South Carolina militiaSCOVILLS : 1827-1840 SCOVILLS [dot] Waterbury [dot] [two inner rings of dots] 1830s US Dragoons [Eagle with D]SCOVILLS / [dot] WATERBURY [dot] [RMDC between solid rings, outer ring of short rays, flat back] 1830s Example: US Artillery [Eagle with D]SCOVILLS [star] Waterbury [star] [two inner rings, one piece] 1830s Example: US Topographical EngineersSCOVILLS & CO / [dot] WATERBURY [dot]" [stippled background] 1840s and 1850sSCOVILL MG. CO. [dot] 1850s. Example US NavySCOVILLS & CO. : 1840-1850 SCOVILL MANUFACTURING CO. : 1850-1960 SCOVILL Mg. Co.: 1850-1865 SCOVILL Mg. Co. / WATERBURY CT. 1850-1865 SCOVILL Mf'g Co. : WATERBURY CT. 1850-1865 SCOVILL Mf'g Co. WATERBURY : 1850-1865 SCOVILL Mfg Co. WATERBURY CT. : 1850-1865SCOVILLS [dot] Waterbury [dot] Typically Civil War or earlier, especially RMDC types. Example: So. Carolina militia buttonSCOVILLS [star] WATERBURY [star]: pre Civil War (typically RMDC backmark), and Civil War and post Civil War (typically DM backmark)
mikie Posted December 28, 2018 #3 Posted December 28, 2018 Thanks for posting that list. That is the best summary of Scovill markings I've seen yet. Mikie
kfields Posted December 28, 2018 Author #4 Posted December 28, 2018 Thanks AB45 for the detailed response. Yes there appears to be a guy on a horse in the middle of the shield. At first I thought it was strange that a Russian button would have been sourced/made in the U.S.. But then again I have U.S. Army buttons from WW1 with French backmarks. Thanks again! Kim
AB45 Posted December 28, 2018 #5 Posted December 28, 2018 Thanks for posting that list. That is the best summary of Scovill markings I've seen yet. Mikie http://inkspotantiques.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=1
stratasfan Posted December 28, 2018 #6 Posted December 28, 2018 Really super cool button! My Sister would love that! She is big into Russian history stuff, but I am just learning to ID some of the military items! Thanks for posting the Scovill info, too! Really handy to know!
patches Posted December 29, 2018 #7 Posted December 29, 2018 It could be a Provincial Button made in 1917 when they were no longer under the Czar, but under Kerensky?the button lacks the Romanov Crown and the chain (Order of St Andrew?) around the shield. The U.S. was now in the war, and pledged support for the Provincial Government, provided they stay with the Entente and not make a separate peace. Russian buttons, more examples on google image search. But on the other hand yours appears to have crowns on the eagles heads, which is a Habsburg trait, though too the button lacks Hapsburg Crown, if Austrain, would think it would of been made during the war right.
patches Posted December 29, 2018 #8 Posted December 29, 2018 Speaking of the Hapsburgs, this reminds me of this topic on USMF Post #17. Are his Buttons USA made Hapsburg? http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/182705-trying-this-again/
kfields Posted December 31, 2018 Author #9 Posted December 31, 2018 Here is the extent of my Russian button collection along with a belt plate. I've diligently looked for nice original buttons at a good price but they seem hard to come by - at a good price ...ha-ha! Ki
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